Subject: Re: War ravaged Portland
This thread has featured goal post moving, definitional narrowing and outright accusations of fabrication to avoid acknowledging the simple fact that there are ongoing disturbances in front of the ICE building.

No one moves the goal posts more than you do.

One problem is that you refer to the protests as disturbances. I refer to them as free speech in action.

And trust me, I’ve seen protests that were disturbances.

I worked at a Planned Parenthood affiliate for over 10 years. Almost every day of that 10 years (dude, get a job!) there were a handful of protesters holding signs, yelling at staff (often with a megaphone), abusing clients, and disturbing a lot of people who lived in apartments around us. Heck, one year we had some bat shit crazies from Texas who traveled north to surround our affiliate for 2 weeks (family vacation, I assume). Man, they were obnoxious and loud. But as Americans, it was their right to protest peacefully (even loudly).

But as long as they stayed off the property and didn’t block the driveway, that was their right to exercise their free speech. And they did! And it was a disturbance. That’s the price we pay for free speech.

The CEO gave us orders that we were NOT to engage the protesters and if we saw them on the property or blocking the driveway, we were to call the police.

I have to admit, I did break the rule one time. I was putting in lots of OT working on a project, and one day I needed a break to walk around downtown for an hour or so. I was not in a good mood. Lol. So I walk past the protesters and one of the more vocal protesters got right up into my face (something they normally never did) and screamed “Why do you kill babies?!!”

I just looked at her and said “Because they grow up to be people like you.”

It shut her up for a day or two.

To this day, if I run into her in the grocery store, she does a 180 and scoots away the moment she sees me.

Anyway, free speech is free speech both when you like it and when you don’t.