Subject: Re: Let’s See If This Pans Out for Putin
Which is different than saying that the Americans were capable of defeating them, either. At least in the sense of driving them physically out of the country.


Good thing the French supplied enough dudes, guns and money, amirite?

Russia's army is not capable of defeating Ukraine's while it is supported by NATO resources. Ukraine can't drive them out of the country physically, either - but Ukraine can keep Russia from defeating them.

The question behind all this is whether or not the Ukrainians can defeat the Russians even with what NATO is giving them. And this is the fundamental question behind it all.
You and this board maintain that yes, it can happen with some caveats around what "defeat" is defined as. I'm not so sure.

The Russians can and will de-populate certain areas of Ukrainians and could retrench into territory that's hard to dislodge them from. Mariupol, is one example.

Neither of us knows for sure.