Subject: Re: Paging Dope
Question for you.....do we know if Iran was truly involved?

Both the Israeli and American governments are saying "We don't know for sure" but there are 2 news articles out about it:

https://www.washingtonpost.com...
The Palestinian militants behind the surprise weekend attack on Israel began planning the assault at least a year ago, with key support from Iranian allies who provided military training and logistical help as well as tens of millions of dollars for weapons, current and former Western and Middle Eastern intelligence officials said Monday.

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While Iran's precise role in Saturday's violence remained unclear, the officials said, the assault reflected Tehran's years-long ambition to surround Israel with legions of paramilitary fighters armed with increasingly sophisticated weapons systems capable of striking deep inside the Jewish state.

Pretty tepid take from the WaPoo. The Wall Street Journal has much more:

https://www.wsj.com/world/midd...

Iran Helped Plot Attack on Israel Over Several Weeks
The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps gave the final go-ahead last Monday in Beirut

DUBAI'Iranian security officials helped plan Hamas's Saturday surprise attack on Israel and gave the green light for the assault at a meeting in Beirut last Monday, according to senior members of Hamas and Hezbollah, another Iran-backed militant group.

Officers of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps had worked with Hamas since August to devise the air, land and sea incursions'the most significant breach of Israel's borders since the 1973 Yom Kippur War'those people said.

Details of the operation were refined during several meetings in Beirut attended by IRGC officers and representatives of four Iran-backed militant groups, including Hamas, which holds power in Gaza, and Hezbollah, a Shiite militant group and political faction in Lebanon, they said.

Bear in mind that both the Israelis AND the US Government have to say the mealy-mouthed stuff. If they come out and say, "Yeah, Iran did it" then that's tantamount to declaring to both the US and Israeli publics that the Iranians are involved in an act of war in Israel that resulted in the murder of American citizens. If that step is taken, there's only one response.

Biden may be a mashed potato mentally, but taking the step to retaliate against Iran is something that should be planned over time, and carefully. Not only that but the Israelis have enough on their plate for the moment (although they've been practicing for years how to conduct airstrikes into Iran and potentially rescue airmen).

Glad you brought up Barack Obama. It's thanks to his coddling and enabling of Iran that we are where we are despite the desperate attempts by people on here to try to claim that he and Biden are somehow tough on the mullahs. That's a fanciful farce.

https://thefederalist.com/2023...

Certainly, there are many legitimate questions to ask about the government of Israel's behavior, the limits of America's national interest in the region, and whether Protestant America's fetishization of the 'Holy Land' keeps us from seeing issues in the region with moral clarity. However, any fair-minded critique of Israel is a far cry from Obama's well-established and radical views on the Middle East that stem, by his own admission, from his affinity for radicals such as Frantz Fanon, whose brain-dead swagger produced such sentiments as 'decolonization reeks of red-hot cannonballs and bloody knives.'
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I hardly believe Obama is such a monster he secretly roots for atrocities in Israel, even if it seems he's never met an antisemite he would willingly disown. Regardless, there's no doubt that these horrifying nationwide terror attacks in Israel are Obama's legacy, a result of his arrogant anti-American ideology put into practice. But after the weekend, even Democratic partisans are scrambling to distance themselves from the Biden and Obama administrations' ill-advised cozying up to Iran. Now we need to follow through and make sure the Obama-Biden foreign policy legacy, and the dangerous ideology that motivated it, is rejected and held up for the failure that it is.

The article runs through Obama's history of close associates who are, in fact, raving anti-semites from his Chicago pastor to Robert Malley, a high school pal of Antony Blinken's who is now under suspicion of being a spy for Iran.