Subject: Re: Who will fight for you?
Did the Catholics deny the Protestants the right to exist? How about in India?
It's not remotely the same thing, as you know quite well.

I'm not saying that part is the same thing. "Brits out of Ireland" means that the Brits don't get to be in Ireland, but they still have their own country. So it hits very differently than "Jews out of Israel." Same with the partition of India.

But "we're never going to stop fighting until we get our own country" is something that they all have in common. And there are lots of places where the fighting didn't stop until independence was achieved.

You're very well aware that the fastest way this ends is if the Iranians...just stop. Where are the calls for them to stop funding terror?

All over the place. It's not like the Saudis haven't called on them to stop funding the Houthis, for example.

But "this" doesn't end if the Iranians....just stop. It doesn't - because you still have millions of nationalist-minded Palestinians who are going to keep fighting until they get a country. So either Israel can fight forever, or they can cut a deal. It's not irrational for people to argue that fighting forever isn't a viable option.

I do agree with you that the analogy is flawed; the Iranians/fanatic Arabs don't believe the Israelis have a right to live where they live and would just as soon see them dead. I don't know how you handle that kind of death cult stuff.

The death cult stuff you can't handle with a deal. But getting rid of the death cult stuff wouldn't solve the problem. The problem is the disconnect between Palestinian national aspirations and the reality on the ground. There are millions of Palestinians who aren't part of a death cult but who still want their own nation, and many of them are willing to fight not because they want to abolish Israel, but rather because they want autonomy and independence for their people.

That's why this is so complicated - so much more complicated than your dismissals of the opposing arguments. There are two goals being pursued, and while they are intertwined they are also distinct: the abolition of Israel and the creation of a Palestinian national state. There are "death cult" people who want both, and the former is not a legitimate goal; but because the latter is a legitimate goal, people are not necessarily going to stop fighting for it even if you get rid of the death cult part.