Subject: Re: Hmmmm
What actions do you think should be taken to stop the genocide? Sinwar surrendering himself and his forces? Or Israel withdrawing without securing the release of the hostages or bringing those responsible for 10/7 to justice? Some combination of both?

It's too late. But, since you asked...

Israel could have pulled back out of their illegally occupied territories decades ago. Instead, they have "settlers". Approved (illegally) by the government, and also "outposts" (which the Israeli government says are illegal, but they don't do anything about it most of the time). Then at least the Israeli government could say they are taking the high road, and are being given no choice. As it stands, even before the attack last year, "settlers" routinely displaced Palestinian residents, and the Israeli authorities turned a blind eye (or even facilitated it). I don't remember the name of the person, but I saw a clip of an official (IIRC) who all but admitted that the plan was to take a little bit and a little bit until it was all Israel.

The one politician in Israel who really wanted peace -and to share the land- was Rabin. So an Israeli killed him.

That's probably why the Palestinians voted-in Hamas 20 years ago, though admittedly they haven't been allowed to vote since (Hamas predictably went authoritarian on them).

At this point, it's probably irretrievable. "Settlers" know they can get away with murder (literally), the Palestinians (some of them) are fighting back, Hamas isn't going anywhere. Just admit you're going to wipe them out, and then do it. It would be more merciful than what's going on now. Yeah, a bleak view. But I think realistic. The Israelis are going to take it all anyway. Any Palestinian resistance will be squashed. Just get it over with, rather than pretend.

The correct answer (that will never happen) is to pull back to the legal borders of Israel, and take the lesson that both the US and USSR had to learn at different times: you can't kill an idea with bombs. We learned that in Vietnam and Afghanistan, and the USSR in Afghanistan. In those cases, we left/lost and the killing stopped. I get that Israel is still in the middle of it, even if they pull back. But they still can't destroy Hamas, just as we couldn't destroy the VC or the Taliban.