Subject: Re: Donvict's best pal
Fair enough. Would your position change if she was a real trans?

Just what is abnormal? I consider that gays, etc., occur frequently enough (4% of the population) and occur around the world and across every culture that I consider them normal abnormalities (humor), and that they are normal to me. So gays are normies to me. Now hermaphrodites occur in 1 out of 2000 births, and to me that might be considered normal too. Hermaphrodites occur across all cultures as far as I know.

So my first question was found by exploration - just what does occur across cultures, is considered abnormal, but actually is normal in that it is present everywhere, and in enough numbers? Answer - gays.

So where do I draw the line? The answer is "I don't know" - but if hermaphrodites, and I have yet to have anyone tell me they're hermaphrodite, exist in those numbers, across the globe, isn't that normal in a way? (We do have interviews of some.) We used to assign them a sex at birth and I think most involved surgery - so we made a permanent decision (sorta).

My biggest unanswered question is, is there a group survival benefit to gays? And I have to say they exist in enough numbers that we should find a group survival benefit. Hermaphrodites a group survival benefit? Not very clear - trending toward no. But gays? Probably yes.

I don't know how frequently trans occur, but in some Pacific Island communities they have a specially recognized position within the community, which means we should REALLY take a good look at that. SNIP Samoa has four cultural genders – female, male, fa'afafine, fa'atama, and Samoa is considered one of the countries with a highly culturally recognised and pronounced trans and gender diverse population. Snip

NEW SNIPNationally, we estimate that 0.6% of those ages 13 and older identify as transgender in the United States, which is about 1.6 million individuals based on current U.S. population size. Among adults, 0.5% (over 1.3 million adults) identify as transgender.SNIP

OK, so at .5% of the populations, that's enough for me to say that sound like a normal abnormality, and we have at least one culture that considers them valuable enough that they have a special place, unless they're prejudiced by normie cultures. So where are we?