Subject: Re: STOP ENGAGING WITH FASCISTS
They don't have the moral ambiguity to pick and choose.

I'm not sure why you say that. Prosecutors have the discretion all the time to not charge someone with a crime. Highway patrol have the discretion to not pull you over if you're speeding (but below the "real" speed limit). Police can let you off with a warning, or not bring you in even if they witness you committing a crime (especially if the other person won't bring charges).

There's nothing prohibiting ICE from having a detainer policy where they only ask for local governments to hold people that have had criminal convictions. They don't have to ask for everyone. And they don't even bother taking into custody all of the people that they issue detainers for today.

Again, why is this? Your entire framework is predicated on the bad behavior of blue sanctuary jurisdictions.

Again, it is only under your value system that this behavior is "bad behavior." Again, it's useful to think of the Blackstone Ratio. If you have a criminal justice system that is structured on the idea that it's better to let ten guilty men go free than convict an innocent man, then someone could come in and say, "That's bad behavior. I think it's wrong to allow ten guilty men go free just to avoid convicting a single innocent man. I think it would be better to convict ten innocent men than to let a single guilty man go free." There are people that have that system of values, and it's an internally consistent and probably defensible one.

So WRT sanctuary systems, supporters believe it is better to let ___ illegal aliens who have criminal records avoid easy detention by ICE than to have _____ otherwise law-abiding illegal aliens end up getting their lives upended, for whatever values of those blanks. You don't have to agree! You can believe that they're wrong! The point is that you will have more success in trying to persuade someone like that if you try to take into consideration that they value protecting the otherwise law-abiding more than you do. Again, you don't have to think they're right! But if you yell at them for having the wrong values, rather than try to come up with a justification for detainers that is consistent with their values - or even acknowledges that their values are what they are - then you're not going to be very persuasive with them.